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I have been working through a collection of modern US ending around 1989. It's been fun, as there are quite a few low cost but interesting stamps.
I have several Mint NH pairs from the Transportation series with Plate numbers on them, but the Scott Specialized only values singles used not mint. Is there any market for these? I have various strips of 3 and 4 (the former collector didn't really know how to collect them, I'm sure). I'm interested in learning more from those who collect these.
I don't plan to pursue this interest in depth, but I do see there must be some differences in availability affecting the catalog value. Here are the PNC Pairs.
Regards,
Don
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Don,
these stamps mark the switch from collecting joint line pairs (JLP) to plate number coils (PNC), hence his choice of collecting the pair with the JLP, showing the PN.
Today, these stamps are primarily collected as mint strips of 5, although many were originally collected as strips of 3. The price differential between PNC3 and PNC5 is often rather large.
There is little market for mint PNC1s.
Even so, you can often find PNC3s and 5s at shows at or below face.
If I read your 20c pumper correctly, it's PNC #2, which is fairly rare; it's value (in my old 2001 Scott) is $180 for PNC3 and $850 for PNC5. As a used single it's $6.
Hope that helps
David
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Thanks so much, David.
Yes the collection was full of joint line pairs back to the Fourth Bureau, so I figured that is what he/she was doing. I think I will just write up what I have and maybe look for some of the other numbers, because it is fun. There are several strips of three with plate numbers, however none that catalog too high.
Regards,
Don
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Don,
There are some folks that will pay a premium for PNC1 or PNC2 stamps. I am one of them, but I have very few holes to fill. I will send you a PM with what I'm looking for and you can email back if you have any. But back to the topic. I find that PNC singles are VERY useful for identifying a press type. Perhaps this is best illustrated by an album page:
Sometimes the plate number alone will identify the press (2 cent B press), but sometimes you need more, like the gum, to determine which it is (2 cent C/D or F press). And in some cases (3 cent), no plate number is needed since they were all printed on the same press.
Plate number singles, PNC1s, and partial plate number booklet panes offer absolute verification of catalog number in many cases! I use them extensively.
Lars
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As an aside, how often do you see genuinely postally used plate number stamps - or were a lot of them extracted for mint collectors, and assuming the normal proportion were discarded by the recipient of the mail, a relative scarcity exists. Forgive me if I am asking the obvious but in the UK we seldom see plate number stamps on kiloware ( world kiloware that is).
Malcolm
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First, please keep Lars' comment in mind, both with PNCs and PNSs (or PBs) because both often provide excellent ways to document a stamp, at least until recent USPS changes made PNs utterly meaningless and killed yet another formerly robust collecting area. How do they manage to have such a tin ear?
Malcolm, i had an extensive collection of US PNCs on cover. I am sure that a significant portion of coils went into dealer hands, never to find their way onto mail, but in most cases, postally used examples are plentiful. I sold it when the USPS made PNs all the same.
David
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I do appreciate this conversation on a budding interest of mine. I purchased a blowout copy of the 2014 Specialized from Amos and the pages already look worn from my re-acquaintance to US stamps.
Lars, I think that page is extremely interesting and I understand the importance of the PN for documenting press type! Fantastic!
Regarding covers - I have some saved commercial mail from the late 80s through 1993 and will need to go back and see if I saved any with PNCs. I would like to add some postal usages on cover of the various regular issues to my written up collection.
My US collection dwindles down after 1990 or so, beyond the occasional retro souvenir sheet. I do plan to pick it up and add items of interest including working up the remaining Transportation coils, face different, then specializing from there.
Don
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I think I have 2 or 3 postally used PNCs. If I get one in the mail, I throw it in the box I donate to a nearby stamp club.
Lars
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Dear Forum,
I have been working through a collection of modern US ending around 1989. It's been fun, as there are quite a few low cost but interesting stamps.
I have several Mint NH pairs from the Transportation series with Plate numbers on them, but the Scott Specialized only values singles used not mint. Is there any market for these? I have various strips of 3 and 4 (the former collector didn't really know how to collect them, I'm sure). I'm interested in learning more from those who collect these.
I don't plan to pursue this interest in depth, but I do see there must be some differences in availability affecting the catalog value. Here are the PNC Pairs.
Regards,
Don
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re: Plate number singles on Transportation series
Don,
these stamps mark the switch from collecting joint line pairs (JLP) to plate number coils (PNC), hence his choice of collecting the pair with the JLP, showing the PN.
Today, these stamps are primarily collected as mint strips of 5, although many were originally collected as strips of 3. The price differential between PNC3 and PNC5 is often rather large.
There is little market for mint PNC1s.
Even so, you can often find PNC3s and 5s at shows at or below face.
If I read your 20c pumper correctly, it's PNC #2, which is fairly rare; it's value (in my old 2001 Scott) is $180 for PNC3 and $850 for PNC5. As a used single it's $6.
Hope that helps
David
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re: Plate number singles on Transportation series
Thanks so much, David.
Yes the collection was full of joint line pairs back to the Fourth Bureau, so I figured that is what he/she was doing. I think I will just write up what I have and maybe look for some of the other numbers, because it is fun. There are several strips of three with plate numbers, however none that catalog too high.
Regards,
Don
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re: Plate number singles on Transportation series
Don,
There are some folks that will pay a premium for PNC1 or PNC2 stamps. I am one of them, but I have very few holes to fill. I will send you a PM with what I'm looking for and you can email back if you have any. But back to the topic. I find that PNC singles are VERY useful for identifying a press type. Perhaps this is best illustrated by an album page:
Sometimes the plate number alone will identify the press (2 cent B press), but sometimes you need more, like the gum, to determine which it is (2 cent C/D or F press). And in some cases (3 cent), no plate number is needed since they were all printed on the same press.
Plate number singles, PNC1s, and partial plate number booklet panes offer absolute verification of catalog number in many cases! I use them extensively.
Lars
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re: Plate number singles on Transportation series
As an aside, how often do you see genuinely postally used plate number stamps - or were a lot of them extracted for mint collectors, and assuming the normal proportion were discarded by the recipient of the mail, a relative scarcity exists. Forgive me if I am asking the obvious but in the UK we seldom see plate number stamps on kiloware ( world kiloware that is).
Malcolm
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re: Plate number singles on Transportation series
First, please keep Lars' comment in mind, both with PNCs and PNSs (or PBs) because both often provide excellent ways to document a stamp, at least until recent USPS changes made PNs utterly meaningless and killed yet another formerly robust collecting area. How do they manage to have such a tin ear?
Malcolm, i had an extensive collection of US PNCs on cover. I am sure that a significant portion of coils went into dealer hands, never to find their way onto mail, but in most cases, postally used examples are plentiful. I sold it when the USPS made PNs all the same.
David
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re: Plate number singles on Transportation series
I do appreciate this conversation on a budding interest of mine. I purchased a blowout copy of the 2014 Specialized from Amos and the pages already look worn from my re-acquaintance to US stamps.
Lars, I think that page is extremely interesting and I understand the importance of the PN for documenting press type! Fantastic!
Regarding covers - I have some saved commercial mail from the late 80s through 1993 and will need to go back and see if I saved any with PNCs. I would like to add some postal usages on cover of the various regular issues to my written up collection.
My US collection dwindles down after 1990 or so, beyond the occasional retro souvenir sheet. I do plan to pick it up and add items of interest including working up the remaining Transportation coils, face different, then specializing from there.
Don
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re: Plate number singles on Transportation series
I think I have 2 or 3 postally used PNCs. If I get one in the mail, I throw it in the box I donate to a nearby stamp club.
Lars
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