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Europe/Great Britain : Ebay penny black on cover

 

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17 Jan 2015
10:38:40pm
Just found this but stamp not even tied to cover, actually looks wrong, so will not be bidding.
vic
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/1842-GREAT-BRITAIN-COVER-SC-1-PENNY-BLACK-THE-FIRST-STAMP-CV-1100-00-/201263008871?pt=Stamps_World_Stamps&hash=item2edc35cc67


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17 Jan 2015
10:50:38pm
re: Ebay penny black on cover

Roy's our expert on PB's.

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17 Jan 2015
11:06:15pm
re: Ebay penny black on cover

I would like to know Roy's views too.

Why is the Halifax CDS on the back and the Burnley CDS on the front? Why is there a 'penny post' cachet on the envelope?

Looks like very contrived to me.

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17 Jan 2015
11:46:59pm
re: Ebay penny black on cover

The cover itself and the markings look fine to me. Very common to have a Maltese Cross cancel on the stamp and the sending town postmark on the back, with the receiver on the front.

Halifax to Burnley is a distance of 20 miles, with Hebden Bridge right in the middle, so the markings look fine to me. Google maps view.

What does bother me about the cover is the stamp. November 1842 is quite a late use of the Penny Black (the Penny Reds to replace it were issued in February 1841), it is not tied, and it is a damaged copy (well cut into on two sides). All that taken together makes me suspicious that a 1d red has been removed and replaced with the damaged Penny Black. I can't prove it, it is just suspicious. Personally, I would not place a value on it higher than the stamp itself, which I would say is around $65-75.

I am not an expert on British postal markings, but Hebden Bridge seems to be a major post office, and I noted several other covers around the internet with that marking, none of which had much in the way of premium pricing for the Hebden Bridge Penny Post marking (most of which were found in association with Penny Reds).

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18 Jan 2015
10:05:08am
re: Ebay penny black on cover

Thank you all for your comments, I just had a feeling that it looked wrong, stamp seems too clean compared to the cover. Will stay away from this one.
Vic.

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19 Jan 2015
08:43:06am
re: Ebay penny black on cover

And thanks to Roy for a bit of education on the subject.

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17 Jan 2015
10:38:40pm

Just found this but stamp not even tied to cover, actually looks wrong, so will not be bidding.
vic
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/1842-GREAT-BRITAIN-COVER-SC-1-PENNY-BLACK-THE-FIRST-STAMP-CV-1100-00-/201263008871?pt=Stamps_World_Stamps&hash=item2edc35cc67


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17 Jan 2015
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re: Ebay penny black on cover

Roy's our expert on PB's.

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Ningpo

17 Jan 2015
11:06:15pm

re: Ebay penny black on cover

I would like to know Roy's views too.

Why is the Halifax CDS on the back and the Burnley CDS on the front? Why is there a 'penny post' cachet on the envelope?

Looks like very contrived to me.

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BuckaCover.com - 80,000 covers priced 60c to $1.50 - Easy browsing 500 categories
17 Jan 2015
11:46:59pm

re: Ebay penny black on cover

The cover itself and the markings look fine to me. Very common to have a Maltese Cross cancel on the stamp and the sending town postmark on the back, with the receiver on the front.

Halifax to Burnley is a distance of 20 miles, with Hebden Bridge right in the middle, so the markings look fine to me. Google maps view.

What does bother me about the cover is the stamp. November 1842 is quite a late use of the Penny Black (the Penny Reds to replace it were issued in February 1841), it is not tied, and it is a damaged copy (well cut into on two sides). All that taken together makes me suspicious that a 1d red has been removed and replaced with the damaged Penny Black. I can't prove it, it is just suspicious. Personally, I would not place a value on it higher than the stamp itself, which I would say is around $65-75.

I am not an expert on British postal markings, but Hebden Bridge seems to be a major post office, and I noted several other covers around the internet with that marking, none of which had much in the way of premium pricing for the Hebden Bridge Penny Post marking (most of which were found in association with Penny Reds).

Roy


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18 Jan 2015
10:05:08am

re: Ebay penny black on cover

Thank you all for your comments, I just had a feeling that it looked wrong, stamp seems too clean compared to the cover. Will stay away from this one.
Vic.

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19 Jan 2015
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re: Ebay penny black on cover

And thanks to Roy for a bit of education on the subject.

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