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Stamp From My Collection Showing Front & Reverse
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Looks like yours is unwatermarked, so it would not be the rare one.
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You might be right. However, I have had a Hong Kong Auction house indicate that this particular watermark is extremely difficult to determine and requrires the watermark solution and should be done by someone with experience with the process. I have looked for examples of the rare variety online to see what the reverse looks like and have not been able to find any. May I ask how sure you are that the stamp in my pics does not have the watermarks?
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What makes you think you have the rare stamp? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I don't see anything in your scans to indicate that you have the rare stamp.
Too many novice collectors automatically gravitate to the highest valued varieties of stamps. That is a mistake. The correct thing to do is presume that one has the lowest valued variety unless and until positive proof is found to the contrary. Then, that is a starting point. If you think you have the rare stamp, there is only one thing to do. Putting up scans of the stamp on the internet will do no good. You will need to submit the stamp for expertization. No other choice about it.
If you do submit the stamp for a certificate, I, and I'm sure 100% of the SOR membership, hope that the certificate comes back as the rare stamp. But you need to remain aware until the certificate is received that there are multitudes more of the low valued stamp as compared to the rare stamp.
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And at the risk of stating the obvious, it is not, as per your title, a Junk, but a Martyr.
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The colour of the back of your stamp seems very dark and muddy to me. Can you confirm if this is accurate?
Here's a half decent image from an Interasia 2008 sale, showing a watermark variety of the 'olive black martyr' which shows the stamp to look rather whiter:
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I believe we are getting AJL1981 on the wrong track by having him compare toning differences. The key point is that the rare variety has a watermark, whereas the ubiquitous common stamp has none. The watermark is very obvious. That "this particular watermark is extremely difficult to determine" certainly does not hold true for any of the Martyr stamps I posses. Just flip and hold against the light. If you still don't trust your eyes, and continue seeing what is not there, then a watermark tray and some watermark fluid will certainly do the trick. There is no experience needed for the process. This is philately 101. Here is what the watermark looks like:
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Michael - not only novices. Every collector - and I don't care what he / she says - dreams of The Big One. The Discovery. And as a result we ALL suffer that momentary heart flip - OMG - it's That One. Maturity though - it's getting beyond the heart flip to do due diligence. To examine/ To ask questions. To seek certification if you are almost positive you've found it. And if you are quite sure that you have found The One - taking precautions to ensure you are saving / selling it in a proper manner.
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Well calling one of China's Missionary, or Chinese Martyr, stamps, "this China Junk " stamp might be a clue as to his being somewhat unfamiliar with those issues, unless he meant "this China junk" stamp, as so many dealers considered those stamps for years.
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According to Interasia Auction in 2005, (view pic below)
Stamp From My Collection Showing Front & Reverse
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10:41:02pm
re: In 2005 Interasia Auction indicates a new realized value for this China Junk stamp. (First Pic) Please take a look at the one in my collection and tell me what you think?(Pic2&Pic3)
Looks like yours is unwatermarked, so it would not be the rare one.
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01:05:11am
re: In 2005 Interasia Auction indicates a new realized value for this China Junk stamp. (First Pic) Please take a look at the one in my collection and tell me what you think?(Pic2&Pic3)
You might be right. However, I have had a Hong Kong Auction house indicate that this particular watermark is extremely difficult to determine and requrires the watermark solution and should be done by someone with experience with the process. I have looked for examples of the rare variety online to see what the reverse looks like and have not been able to find any. May I ask how sure you are that the stamp in my pics does not have the watermarks?
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01:26:24am
re: In 2005 Interasia Auction indicates a new realized value for this China Junk stamp. (First Pic) Please take a look at the one in my collection and tell me what you think?(Pic2&Pic3)
What makes you think you have the rare stamp? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I don't see anything in your scans to indicate that you have the rare stamp.
Too many novice collectors automatically gravitate to the highest valued varieties of stamps. That is a mistake. The correct thing to do is presume that one has the lowest valued variety unless and until positive proof is found to the contrary. Then, that is a starting point. If you think you have the rare stamp, there is only one thing to do. Putting up scans of the stamp on the internet will do no good. You will need to submit the stamp for expertization. No other choice about it.
If you do submit the stamp for a certificate, I, and I'm sure 100% of the SOR membership, hope that the certificate comes back as the rare stamp. But you need to remain aware until the certificate is received that there are multitudes more of the low valued stamp as compared to the rare stamp.
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03:14:11pm
re: In 2005 Interasia Auction indicates a new realized value for this China Junk stamp. (First Pic) Please take a look at the one in my collection and tell me what you think?(Pic2&Pic3)
And at the risk of stating the obvious, it is not, as per your title, a Junk, but a Martyr.
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re: In 2005 Interasia Auction indicates a new realized value for this China Junk stamp. (First Pic) Please take a look at the one in my collection and tell me what you think?(Pic2&Pic3)
The colour of the back of your stamp seems very dark and muddy to me. Can you confirm if this is accurate?
Here's a half decent image from an Interasia 2008 sale, showing a watermark variety of the 'olive black martyr' which shows the stamp to look rather whiter:
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re: In 2005 Interasia Auction indicates a new realized value for this China Junk stamp. (First Pic) Please take a look at the one in my collection and tell me what you think?(Pic2&Pic3)
I believe we are getting AJL1981 on the wrong track by having him compare toning differences. The key point is that the rare variety has a watermark, whereas the ubiquitous common stamp has none. The watermark is very obvious. That "this particular watermark is extremely difficult to determine" certainly does not hold true for any of the Martyr stamps I posses. Just flip and hold against the light. If you still don't trust your eyes, and continue seeing what is not there, then a watermark tray and some watermark fluid will certainly do the trick. There is no experience needed for the process. This is philately 101. Here is what the watermark looks like:
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re: In 2005 Interasia Auction indicates a new realized value for this China Junk stamp. (First Pic) Please take a look at the one in my collection and tell me what you think?(Pic2&Pic3)
Michael - not only novices. Every collector - and I don't care what he / she says - dreams of The Big One. The Discovery. And as a result we ALL suffer that momentary heart flip - OMG - it's That One. Maturity though - it's getting beyond the heart flip to do due diligence. To examine/ To ask questions. To seek certification if you are almost positive you've found it. And if you are quite sure that you have found The One - taking precautions to ensure you are saving / selling it in a proper manner.
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12:36:49am
re: In 2005 Interasia Auction indicates a new realized value for this China Junk stamp. (First Pic) Please take a look at the one in my collection and tell me what you think?(Pic2&Pic3)
Well calling one of China's Missionary, or Chinese Martyr, stamps, "this China Junk " stamp might be a clue as to his being somewhat unfamiliar with those issues, unless he meant "this China junk" stamp, as so many dealers considered those stamps for years.
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