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.....It is always amazing how many sheets and how many versions of the "wall paper" stamps were issued in the various Trucial states. Truly one could probably find more "stamps" issued in a 5 year stretch than were ever issued in the US or Russia!
I sit on a box full of them (bought by mistake, as I really only wanted early ones), not sure who to donate it to.
Anyone interested in this less than legitimate "philatelic" area? After all it is a collectible. But that was the beginning of the end for collectors, when they became, for some governments, just a bankroll! or can I use another word?
In the case of the Trucial states, postal authorities sub-contracted to less than ethical printers, who then continued to issue unauthorized stamps, even when no longer under contract! It would be interesting to track how many stamps were sold by the postal authorities, vs by the printers.
Here is an SOR challenge...can we get a complete set of all Trucial wall paper stamps to go with our penny black complete sheet?
For those not in the know:
QUOTE: """Fujeira is one of the Trucial States in the Persian Gulf. With six other sheikdoms it formed the State of the United Arab Emirates on 18 July 1971. Fujeira stamps were replaced by issues of UAE on 1 January 1973.
Stanley Gibbons (1977) fully lists 166 stamps, issued between 1964 and 1967. For stamps issued between 1967 - 1972 it writes: The following stamps have either been issued in excess of postal needs or have not been available to the public in reasonable quantities at face value. Such stamps may later be given full listing if there is evidence of regular postal use. SG notes also that "During 1970 a number of other sets came on the market, but their official status is in doubt".
The Michel Catalogue (Naher Osten 1999) lists 1542 stamps and 207 sheets (with prices), issued between 1964 and 1972. Michel writes that on 9 May 1970 the Fujeira PA terminated its contract with an agency and charged another agency with issuing of stamps. The old agency still brought on the market other stamps, that weren't accepted as official ones by the Fujeira PA. In its most prolific year, 1972, Fujeira issued about 700 stamps and 200 sheets (!). Comparing these figures with Liberia's 2000 high of 677 stamps and 94 sheets, the quantity of stamps issued by Fujeira is really impressive, and indicates when the big problems of the topical philately actually begun.
Amazingly enough, in souvenir boutiques in Egypt were sold fakes of Ajman, Sharjah and Fujeira stamps, showing old Egyptian topics.
Published on July 7th, 2002, on the RCSD newsgroup""" END OF QUOTE
I must have, somewhere, an interesting article on the legal fight between the Trucial postal authorities, and the scam producers of additional sheets... let me see if I can dig it out! HAs any one else looked into this area? And curious about how many persons here are seriously collecting Trucial States (post 1967?) I know many of these stamps and sheets were never used in the country of origin. Can you imagine a conservative Moslem country issuing museum nudes?
rrr.....
Trucial States Historical population
Year Pop.
1963 95,000
1968 180,226
1975 557,887
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From the blog http://www.stampcollectingblog.com/truc ... tory-2.php :
How many Trucial Stamps were issued?
Quote:
"""Abu Dhabi: issued 96 stamps between 1964-1972
Ajman: issued about 3,013 stamps between 1964-1973
Ajman – Manama (dependency of Ajman): issued about 1,255 stamps between 1966-1972
Dubai: issued about 429 stamps between 1963-1972
Fujeira: issued 1571 stamps between 1964-1972
Ras al-Khaima: issued 905 stamps between 1964-1972
Sharjah & Dependencies: issued 1406 stamps between 1963-1972
Sharjah – Khor Fakkan (dependency & capital of Sharjah ): issued 226 stamps between 1965-1969
Umm al-Quwain: issued 1722 stamps between 1964-1972
These are just rough counts for major numbers in Michel catalog. These do not include perforation varieties, imperf sheets etc. for which Michel hasn't implemented a unique running number (they would add 2-3x more to total of items)... But all in all the above should give you pretty good indicator how many items are out there."""
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Here is a document describing (one of) the lawsuit I had mentioned...
Makes you wonder for many of these stamps! It seems it extended well beyond the Trucial states, to Yemen, Oman, etc... and may have had political as well as economic reasons.
As a matter of fact, there is an uncanny similarity between many of the "wallpaper" stamps issued in the different countries of this area in the early 70s.
Summary for the casual reader in just a few lines, below...the link is attached.
rrr....
EXCERPTS:
""We are sending this third official notice of caution to overseas residents, so that no one can be misguided regarding statements bearing the name Fujeira....
Be officially informed that Fujeira stamps originating with Middle East Stamp Company, Beirut, who have without authorization announced themselves as agents of this Post Office, are to be considered as private and spurious, and without value, unless listed on the official statement of stamps released by this Post Office, dated 20 July 1970. No new Fujeira stamps have been issued since 13 June 1970.
In particular the six labels plus souvenir sheet which they proclaimed "issued" on June 25th, bearing Expo 70 Osaka pavilions, and a further six labels plus souvenir sheet which they proclaimed issued on July 20th are spurious private emissions and not postage stamps.
Legal action is to be taken against ... and/or their co-conspirators, and this is to be considered official notice that any Fujeira stamps distributed by these merchants are deemed spurious and will be seized and the distributors and/or stamp dealers trafficking in these illegal stamps will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
Any statements that the Post Office of Fujeira should be addressed via Beirut and or Sharjah and/or some other territory are illegal and fraudulent.
30 July 1970
POST OFFICE OF FUJEIRA
Fujeira, Trucial States
Arabian Gulf
http://www.ohmygosh.on.ca/stamps/fujairah/fujann2.htm
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Wallpaper or not, valid postage or not, I like any stamp that is cheaper than confetti.
Besides, have you seen some of the selvage on the Trucial State panes/minisheets?
I agree, a lot of the stamps are like wallpaper, but the selvage is to die for!
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How is it possible for you to know so much about something so insignificant?
I have some stamps from the Trucial States in my worldwide collection and have
always considered them interesting if not important. With the information overload that you have so generously
and gratuitously provided, those interesting Trucial States stamps of mine have now been reduced to borderline
shredder status.
Good manners indicate I should thank you for all that information, but my heart indicates otherwise.
Please settle for a heartless thank you.
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While I personally do not desire to collect stamps which have no commemorative significance, or do not have historical/cultural ties to the issuing entities, many of the earlier issues of the Trucial States were highly collectable.
In all fairness, it must be said that there are several key topical commemorative sets from the Trucial States including the Centenary of the International Red Cross in 1963, the Centenary of the International Telecommunications Union in 1965, the United Nations World Health Organization Campaign Against Malaria in 1962, and the United Nations UNESCO Campaign to Save the Monuments of Nubia 1962-1968.
These sets are not cheap and are highly sought after by collectors of these topical commemorative series. In addition, my worldwide airmail collection will certainly contain the first airmail issues of any of these countries.
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John: I started looking at these stamps some 30 years ago. As some may know (or not) I specialize in Middle Eastern Stamps, and as I ran out of cheap acquisition material, these were a bargain, and always puzzling, ...so many, so odd to see them issued in these emirates! I guess I have had a love-hate relationship with them ever since. Cannot organize what I collect, I still get some, and cannot throw them away...but I should!
Gratuitous information overload...LOL..don't issue me a challenge...
Kim: I never looked at the selvage....Is there anything you need? Or as I suspect, you have them all already?
Terry: Some of the early stamps, when they were just issued in reasonable numbers for postage use, are worth quite a bit, and collectors look for used on covers, which are worth a lot more. As a kid, I used to soak these for the stamps....now all I have is a box of used stamps mixed with the CTOs!
I don't want to give the impression that they are worthless. Actually, a used post-marked (not CTO)is worth a LOT of money (especially on cover), as they were seldom ever used for postage.
Topical collectors love them..after all they were produced when topical subject created a market for them. Finally, outside the US, they attract quite a bit of attention (and value). And for the masochist, they offer a real challenge..even getting a catalog to list them all is an impossible challenge! And sorting legitimate from "illegitimate" issues even more so. What a challenge...10,000 or more different stamps! Add Yemen, Oman etc...and never sleep a wink!
Before the internet, it was hard to find a lot of information, and I copied several articles stored where?). I decided at the time to stick to pre-1968 stamps and to just box the rest...who knows, one day I may get a go at it, or give them all. But in all case there are a lot of interesting trials and issues to challenge any collector!
Here are a few culled comments (with the other view points)
QUOTE:
"""But this (lack of US interest) is largely US problem (due to lack of Scott catalog coverage). Rest of the world has never lost interest towards collecting “dune state stamps†in same extent; and I have a feeling these are making a comeback of some sorts as young collectors of 1960/70s are coming back to hobby.
Perhaps my biggest source of frustration with collecting these is lack of single excellent catalog / source of information."""
QUOTE:
"""If You like topical stamps, then I’m sure stamps of Trucial States will be of interest. It is true, that some of the Trucial States stamps really look like “cheap wallpaperâ€. But I don’t mind, I just like lots of stamps. The more, the merrier! LOL.
Also if You like your stamps to be a challenge, then these are truly that. Building even a somewhat complete collection of these is a challenge; as no dealers stock these the same way as UK or US stamps. Each stamp has to be hunted down from misc sources… And there is always the possibility to do truly extreme and focus on postal history (meaning real used covers etc), that exist in very low quantities…And then there are of course my personal favourites, EFOs and bogus issues. They do exist in plenty with Trucial states stamps."""
So although I myself am dubious about collecting the post 1967 stamps, I do not imply that others should refrain. One day, who knows, some stamps may be worth a lot more than you think, but even as it stands today, they offer a real challenge, and can be had at a low piece price! And used covers are already worth plenty!
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I do not actively collect the trucial states stamps but I collect souvenir sheets of all kinds whether valid postage or not and started acquiring some of those. In addition, I like stamps where every stamp in the sheet is different and Lo and Behold they had a bunch of those too and so I ended up with a lot of those. Then I bought several general collections and ended up with the singles too in large quantity. So I don't collect them but I do. At times I found myself feeling guilty that I was not being true to real stamp collecting but then collecting does not have to be restricted to postally valid stamps (i.e. people collect forgeries but I don't at least not on purpose). I think it would be a interesting project to try to acquire all of the ones listed in the earlier response in this thread. Might be a real challenge. I am 71 years old and collect worldwide( about 175,000 mounted of how many hundreds of thousands available) which is an impossible task so why not take on another impossible task which would take away from time for the first impossible task. Might be fun and that to me is the real key.
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these trucial states always made me wonder as no one knows anything about the number of printed stamps or why it was issues or any thing !
I always wanted to understand how comes so many European stamps merchants sell Loads of these stamps weekly (I think the number or stamps of these trucial states is suspicious and unbelievable business) ....do they keep printing it till now or what is going on ?
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Tons of these "stamps" were printed for the tourist trade and the philatelic market. Contracts to print postage stamps were terminated on July 31, 1972. "Stamps" continued to be printed afterwards, and even copies of the stamps were made as were other bogus issues, and put in packets in tourist shops in the various Emirates.
While some of the earlier issues were intended for and did see postal use, most were printed for collectors and never meant for anything else. They do have a following, however. I understand that collecting Trucial States is big in Europe. Not so much in the USA, but the stamps do sell with some holding more value than you might think.
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and, any stamps from these countries used properly on mail is actively collected by a select few, including one of our members.
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Having served a tour in Bahrain with the US Navy, and making port visits to the UAE were most of the Trucial State stamps came from I noticed more sand then trees. The question where did the paper come from? Who printed the stamps, or then again maybe Frankland Mint had something to do with the printing of all these stamps.
On one port visit to Dubia I went to the national museum. which was inside of an old fort. They had the national stamp collection on display, it only went through 1972. My port visit was in 1988. It seems to me someone outside of the UAE must have printed them. In fact I went to the Post Office in Dubia to mail some letters and post cards home. The stamps sold at the post office were UAE stamps. Oh well someone made a lot of money off the wallpaper, everytime I buy a box lot at a stamp show I find Trucial state stamps in the lots I buy.
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khj - just an example of the beautiful selvage member "khj" mentioned before: 
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Having been to Abu Dhabi several times on business, and looking at the totals in Keijo's post (way above), I would like to say how unsurprised I am to see that Abu Dhabi is the only sober one in the bunch.
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i would have thought Dubai would have been more conservative..does it have to print wallpaper? One of our many club members that have passed on had a Trucial States album and he had a lot of fun with it .
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Dubai is the Wild Child of The Emirates.
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Ralph said;
"Perhaps my biggest source of frustration with collecting these is lack of single excellent catalog / source of information."
I have found this catalog to be quite helpful; I have yet to have seen another copy!
An oldie but a goodie!
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I picked up aa Ajman space set for .50 can recently noted as m88-97. Part appears to be postage and part airmail(my interest) Would your catalog have more info on this group. Any ss with it ,etc. Any help would be appreciated.
Many thanks MEL
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Without your providing an image, I believe this is what you asked about. The set, issued in 1966, Michel #93-102, 103-104, Block 8A (perforated), Block 8B (imperf), contains six regular postage, four air mail, two miniature sheets, and two souvenir sheets (one perf, one imperf).
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While I consider most Trucial Stamps stamps to be phony wallpaper, I still have amassed many folders stuffed with them with no intention of ever mounting them. The exception would be Mid Eastern Scott Specialty pages that provide spaces for a few different countries. One of these is a run of Ajman from 1964-65. They can be seen in the link here:
http://mitch.seymourfamily.com/mward/collection/mideast/ajman/ajman.html
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"Without your providing an image, I believe this is what you asked about. The set, issued in 1966, Michel #93-102, 103-104, Block 8A (perforated), Block 8B (imperf), contains six regular postage, four air mail, two miniature sheets, and two souvenir sheets (one perf, one imperf)"
Michael is absolutely correct on this.
And as you noted, Mel - they are numbered 88 thru 97 as in the
Minkus Trucial States Catalog, with the souvenir sheet(s) being #98
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Thanks for the information you passed on. I don't actively chase Trucial State issues. Since it was so inexpensive Ipicked it up. Will make a very good topical for some juniors.
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I am re-posting some comments I made earlier, which were by mistake made under the wrong subject heading. The subject of interest, more generally stated, is: The stamps of the Trucial States. My original post was in no way targeting a fellow SOR member!
.....It is always amazing how many sheets and how many versions of the "wall paper" stamps were issued in the various Trucial states. Truly one could probably find more "stamps" issued in a 5 year stretch than were ever issued in the US or Russia!
I sit on a box full of them (bought by mistake, as I really only wanted early ones), not sure who to donate it to.
Anyone interested in this less than legitimate "philatelic" area? After all it is a collectible. But that was the beginning of the end for collectors, when they became, for some governments, just a bankroll! or can I use another word?
In the case of the Trucial states, postal authorities sub-contracted to less than ethical printers, who then continued to issue unauthorized stamps, even when no longer under contract! It would be interesting to track how many stamps were sold by the postal authorities, vs by the printers.
Here is an SOR challenge...can we get a complete set of all Trucial wall paper stamps to go with our penny black complete sheet?
For those not in the know:
QUOTE: """Fujeira is one of the Trucial States in the Persian Gulf. With six other sheikdoms it formed the State of the United Arab Emirates on 18 July 1971. Fujeira stamps were replaced by issues of UAE on 1 January 1973.
Stanley Gibbons (1977) fully lists 166 stamps, issued between 1964 and 1967. For stamps issued between 1967 - 1972 it writes: The following stamps have either been issued in excess of postal needs or have not been available to the public in reasonable quantities at face value. Such stamps may later be given full listing if there is evidence of regular postal use. SG notes also that "During 1970 a number of other sets came on the market, but their official status is in doubt".
The Michel Catalogue (Naher Osten 1999) lists 1542 stamps and 207 sheets (with prices), issued between 1964 and 1972. Michel writes that on 9 May 1970 the Fujeira PA terminated its contract with an agency and charged another agency with issuing of stamps. The old agency still brought on the market other stamps, that weren't accepted as official ones by the Fujeira PA. In its most prolific year, 1972, Fujeira issued about 700 stamps and 200 sheets (!). Comparing these figures with Liberia's 2000 high of 677 stamps and 94 sheets, the quantity of stamps issued by Fujeira is really impressive, and indicates when the big problems of the topical philately actually begun.
Amazingly enough, in souvenir boutiques in Egypt were sold fakes of Ajman, Sharjah and Fujeira stamps, showing old Egyptian topics.
Published on July 7th, 2002, on the RCSD newsgroup""" END OF QUOTE
I must have, somewhere, an interesting article on the legal fight between the Trucial postal authorities, and the scam producers of additional sheets... let me see if I can dig it out! HAs any one else looked into this area? And curious about how many persons here are seriously collecting Trucial States (post 1967?) I know many of these stamps and sheets were never used in the country of origin. Can you imagine a conservative Moslem country issuing museum nudes?
rrr.....
Trucial States Historical population
Year Pop.
1963 95,000
1968 180,226
1975 557,887
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From the blog http://www.stampcollectingblog.com/truc ... tory-2.php :
How many Trucial Stamps were issued?
Quote:
"""Abu Dhabi: issued 96 stamps between 1964-1972
Ajman: issued about 3,013 stamps between 1964-1973
Ajman – Manama (dependency of Ajman): issued about 1,255 stamps between 1966-1972
Dubai: issued about 429 stamps between 1963-1972
Fujeira: issued 1571 stamps between 1964-1972
Ras al-Khaima: issued 905 stamps between 1964-1972
Sharjah & Dependencies: issued 1406 stamps between 1963-1972
Sharjah – Khor Fakkan (dependency & capital of Sharjah ): issued 226 stamps between 1965-1969
Umm al-Quwain: issued 1722 stamps between 1964-1972
These are just rough counts for major numbers in Michel catalog. These do not include perforation varieties, imperf sheets etc. for which Michel hasn't implemented a unique running number (they would add 2-3x more to total of items)... But all in all the above should give you pretty good indicator how many items are out there."""
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Here is a document describing (one of) the lawsuit I had mentioned...
Makes you wonder for many of these stamps! It seems it extended well beyond the Trucial states, to Yemen, Oman, etc... and may have had political as well as economic reasons.
As a matter of fact, there is an uncanny similarity between many of the "wallpaper" stamps issued in the different countries of this area in the early 70s.
Summary for the casual reader in just a few lines, below...the link is attached.
rrr....
EXCERPTS:
""We are sending this third official notice of caution to overseas residents, so that no one can be misguided regarding statements bearing the name Fujeira....
Be officially informed that Fujeira stamps originating with Middle East Stamp Company, Beirut, who have without authorization announced themselves as agents of this Post Office, are to be considered as private and spurious, and without value, unless listed on the official statement of stamps released by this Post Office, dated 20 July 1970. No new Fujeira stamps have been issued since 13 June 1970.
In particular the six labels plus souvenir sheet which they proclaimed "issued" on June 25th, bearing Expo 70 Osaka pavilions, and a further six labels plus souvenir sheet which they proclaimed issued on July 20th are spurious private emissions and not postage stamps.
Legal action is to be taken against ... and/or their co-conspirators, and this is to be considered official notice that any Fujeira stamps distributed by these merchants are deemed spurious and will be seized and the distributors and/or stamp dealers trafficking in these illegal stamps will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
Any statements that the Post Office of Fujeira should be addressed via Beirut and or Sharjah and/or some other territory are illegal and fraudulent.
30 July 1970
POST OFFICE OF FUJEIRA
Fujeira, Trucial States
Arabian Gulf
http://www.ohmygosh.on.ca/stamps/fujairah/fujann2.htm
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Wallpaper or not, valid postage or not, I like any stamp that is cheaper than confetti.
Besides, have you seen some of the selvage on the Trucial State panes/minisheets?
I agree, a lot of the stamps are like wallpaper, but the selvage is to die for!
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"rrraphy"
How is it possible for you to know so much about something so insignificant?
I have some stamps from the Trucial States in my worldwide collection and have
always considered them interesting if not important. With the information overload that you have so generously
and gratuitously provided, those interesting Trucial States stamps of mine have now been reduced to borderline
shredder status.
Good manners indicate I should thank you for all that information, but my heart indicates otherwise.
Please settle for a heartless thank you.
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While I personally do not desire to collect stamps which have no commemorative significance, or do not have historical/cultural ties to the issuing entities, many of the earlier issues of the Trucial States were highly collectable.
In all fairness, it must be said that there are several key topical commemorative sets from the Trucial States including the Centenary of the International Red Cross in 1963, the Centenary of the International Telecommunications Union in 1965, the United Nations World Health Organization Campaign Against Malaria in 1962, and the United Nations UNESCO Campaign to Save the Monuments of Nubia 1962-1968.
These sets are not cheap and are highly sought after by collectors of these topical commemorative series. In addition, my worldwide airmail collection will certainly contain the first airmail issues of any of these countries.
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John: I started looking at these stamps some 30 years ago. As some may know (or not) I specialize in Middle Eastern Stamps, and as I ran out of cheap acquisition material, these were a bargain, and always puzzling, ...so many, so odd to see them issued in these emirates! I guess I have had a love-hate relationship with them ever since. Cannot organize what I collect, I still get some, and cannot throw them away...but I should!
Gratuitous information overload...LOL..don't issue me a challenge...
Kim: I never looked at the selvage....Is there anything you need? Or as I suspect, you have them all already?
Terry: Some of the early stamps, when they were just issued in reasonable numbers for postage use, are worth quite a bit, and collectors look for used on covers, which are worth a lot more. As a kid, I used to soak these for the stamps....now all I have is a box of used stamps mixed with the CTOs!
I don't want to give the impression that they are worthless. Actually, a used post-marked (not CTO)is worth a LOT of money (especially on cover), as they were seldom ever used for postage.
Topical collectors love them..after all they were produced when topical subject created a market for them. Finally, outside the US, they attract quite a bit of attention (and value). And for the masochist, they offer a real challenge..even getting a catalog to list them all is an impossible challenge! And sorting legitimate from "illegitimate" issues even more so. What a challenge...10,000 or more different stamps! Add Yemen, Oman etc...and never sleep a wink!
Before the internet, it was hard to find a lot of information, and I copied several articles stored where?). I decided at the time to stick to pre-1968 stamps and to just box the rest...who knows, one day I may get a go at it, or give them all. But in all case there are a lot of interesting trials and issues to challenge any collector!
Here are a few culled comments (with the other view points)
QUOTE:
"""But this (lack of US interest) is largely US problem (due to lack of Scott catalog coverage). Rest of the world has never lost interest towards collecting “dune state stamps†in same extent; and I have a feeling these are making a comeback of some sorts as young collectors of 1960/70s are coming back to hobby.
Perhaps my biggest source of frustration with collecting these is lack of single excellent catalog / source of information."""
QUOTE:
"""If You like topical stamps, then I’m sure stamps of Trucial States will be of interest. It is true, that some of the Trucial States stamps really look like “cheap wallpaperâ€. But I don’t mind, I just like lots of stamps. The more, the merrier! LOL.
Also if You like your stamps to be a challenge, then these are truly that. Building even a somewhat complete collection of these is a challenge; as no dealers stock these the same way as UK or US stamps. Each stamp has to be hunted down from misc sources… And there is always the possibility to do truly extreme and focus on postal history (meaning real used covers etc), that exist in very low quantities…And then there are of course my personal favourites, EFOs and bogus issues. They do exist in plenty with Trucial states stamps."""
So although I myself am dubious about collecting the post 1967 stamps, I do not imply that others should refrain. One day, who knows, some stamps may be worth a lot more than you think, but even as it stands today, they offer a real challenge, and can be had at a low piece price! And used covers are already worth plenty!
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I do not actively collect the trucial states stamps but I collect souvenir sheets of all kinds whether valid postage or not and started acquiring some of those. In addition, I like stamps where every stamp in the sheet is different and Lo and Behold they had a bunch of those too and so I ended up with a lot of those. Then I bought several general collections and ended up with the singles too in large quantity. So I don't collect them but I do. At times I found myself feeling guilty that I was not being true to real stamp collecting but then collecting does not have to be restricted to postally valid stamps (i.e. people collect forgeries but I don't at least not on purpose). I think it would be a interesting project to try to acquire all of the ones listed in the earlier response in this thread. Might be a real challenge. I am 71 years old and collect worldwide( about 175,000 mounted of how many hundreds of thousands available) which is an impossible task so why not take on another impossible task which would take away from time for the first impossible task. Might be fun and that to me is the real key.
Jack
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these trucial states always made me wonder as no one knows anything about the number of printed stamps or why it was issues or any thing !
I always wanted to understand how comes so many European stamps merchants sell Loads of these stamps weekly (I think the number or stamps of these trucial states is suspicious and unbelievable business) ....do they keep printing it till now or what is going on ?
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Tons of these "stamps" were printed for the tourist trade and the philatelic market. Contracts to print postage stamps were terminated on July 31, 1972. "Stamps" continued to be printed afterwards, and even copies of the stamps were made as were other bogus issues, and put in packets in tourist shops in the various Emirates.
While some of the earlier issues were intended for and did see postal use, most were printed for collectors and never meant for anything else. They do have a following, however. I understand that collecting Trucial States is big in Europe. Not so much in the USA, but the stamps do sell with some holding more value than you might think.
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and, any stamps from these countries used properly on mail is actively collected by a select few, including one of our members.
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Having served a tour in Bahrain with the US Navy, and making port visits to the UAE were most of the Trucial State stamps came from I noticed more sand then trees. The question where did the paper come from? Who printed the stamps, or then again maybe Frankland Mint had something to do with the printing of all these stamps.
On one port visit to Dubia I went to the national museum. which was inside of an old fort. They had the national stamp collection on display, it only went through 1972. My port visit was in 1988. It seems to me someone outside of the UAE must have printed them. In fact I went to the Post Office in Dubia to mail some letters and post cards home. The stamps sold at the post office were UAE stamps. Oh well someone made a lot of money off the wallpaper, everytime I buy a box lot at a stamp show I find Trucial state stamps in the lots I buy.
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04:31:08pm
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khj - just an example of the beautiful selvage member "khj" mentioned before:
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Having been to Abu Dhabi several times on business, and looking at the totals in Keijo's post (way above), I would like to say how unsurprised I am to see that Abu Dhabi is the only sober one in the bunch.
Cheers.
/s/ ikeyPikey
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i would have thought Dubai would have been more conservative..does it have to print wallpaper? One of our many club members that have passed on had a Trucial States album and he had a lot of fun with it .
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Dubai is the Wild Child of The Emirates.
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Ralph said;
"Perhaps my biggest source of frustration with collecting these is lack of single excellent catalog / source of information."
I have found this catalog to be quite helpful; I have yet to have seen another copy!
An oldie but a goodie!
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02:29:13pm
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I picked up aa Ajman space set for .50 can recently noted as m88-97. Part appears to be postage and part airmail(my interest) Would your catalog have more info on this group. Any ss with it ,etc. Any help would be appreciated.
Many thanks MEL
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05:43:42pm
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Without your providing an image, I believe this is what you asked about. The set, issued in 1966, Michel #93-102, 103-104, Block 8A (perforated), Block 8B (imperf), contains six regular postage, four air mail, two miniature sheets, and two souvenir sheets (one perf, one imperf).
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While I consider most Trucial Stamps stamps to be phony wallpaper, I still have amassed many folders stuffed with them with no intention of ever mounting them. The exception would be Mid Eastern Scott Specialty pages that provide spaces for a few different countries. One of these is a run of Ajman from 1964-65. They can be seen in the link here:
http://mitch.seymourfamily.com/mward/collection/mideast/ajman/ajman.html
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"Without your providing an image, I believe this is what you asked about. The set, issued in 1966, Michel #93-102, 103-104, Block 8A (perforated), Block 8B (imperf), contains six regular postage, four air mail, two miniature sheets, and two souvenir sheets (one perf, one imperf)"
Michael is absolutely correct on this.
And as you noted, Mel - they are numbered 88 thru 97 as in the
Minkus Trucial States Catalog, with the souvenir sheet(s) being #98
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Thanks for the information you passed on. I don't actively chase Trucial State issues. Since it was so inexpensive Ipicked it up. Will make a very good topical for some juniors.
mel
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